What do you think of Accrescent app store?

23Sha-ger

Stewart It will move forward with or without you, as evidenced by the donations Accrescent has received

Yeah, I will put a reminder in another 3 years.
The fact it even has donations in this state of things...Well...

Stewart

23Sha-ger Well, we'll see if you're the kind of person who easily changes sides or not. When the project succeeds, it will move forward without you. That's not a problem.

23Sha-ger

Stewart
Im here almost the same time Accressent is. See if I ever
changed sides. Attacking me doesnt add any credit to you
or the project, I didn't say anything personal about the team.
And yes, continue without me, I don't want to be idle.

Stewart

23Sha-ger You're right, I got carried away.
Let's stay positive about the success of the Accrescent project; we don't really need negativity.

gristle-cause

I like the premise. They seem to be competent on the backend. I use it when I can.

I do wish they included more robust descriptions, or outbound links to the app development page. The single sentence included on each app is not sufficient to understand the application, which makes it difficult to use Accrescent as a repository of trusted software - one has to bounce between the store and a browser. As is, I find an app I want externally, and check Accrescent before downloading with Obtanium

KCne

gristle-cause The single sentence included on each app is not sufficient to understand the application

I don't think this is entirely a detriment, as it encourages people to research apps and to not hastily install them based on quick glances. Though, I believe it would help if Accrescent allowed apps to link to the app project page, and here is the corresponding Github issue

missing-root

Thanks @lberrymage for the response.

I am sure Accrescent has good goals and the reason for it to have a selection of apps that seems arbitrary to outsiders is simply because it is still a proof of concept.

That doesnt change the point though, the opposite, it strengthens it. Aurorastore, Obtainium and F-Droid basic could be included in the GrapheneOS appstore, allowing a better root of trust, without the devs needing to vet for the apps in any way.

Yes they are not perfect but really good. Aurorastore uses certificate pinning and works very well. Obtainium is the app that most GrapheneOS users likely use. F-Droid Basic is the stripped down build targetting newer Androids.

They fit existing needs. Bundling them will allow users to safely bootstrap their systems without fearing to click on malicious links when first looking for them. They wouldnt even need to allow install-apps-permission for Vanadium!

de0u

missing-root Aurorastore, Obtainium and F-Droid basic could be included in the GrapheneOS appstore, allowing a better root of trust, without the devs needing to vet for the apps in any way.

I am quite confident that the GrapheneOS developers are aware of the technical feasibility of doing that, and also aware that some users are in favor.

However, the GrapheneOS developers have evaluated including those apps and have decided not to. Perhaps if the conditions change the decision might be revisited.

As just one example, the license for F-Droid Basic is GPLv3, which the GrapheneOS developers have repeatedly stated is a showstopper (as have others, including the Linux kernel team). In theory the F-Droid Basic project could decide to re-license, though I doubt it.

missing-root

About the app selection, it seems to be based on many factors (as you said) but not, if the app is the best in it's field.

2fa: No idea, KeepassDX and Aegis are the standard apps
OrganicMaps: the developers were unhappy about the very bad governance and embezzlement of donation money, so CoMaps is the currently preferred project
Cape: seems kinda sus, no idea why carriers need apps, they seem expensive and snake-oily
Cake Wallet: I think Monerujo is better, more minimal
Clipious: leeching off Invidious instances, Grayjay is more sustainable, Newpipe the simple alternative with less "weird licensing" issues
ExifEraser: Fossify Gallery has that builtin, otherwise ImagePipe
Qlango: weird proprietary app including Google tracking
Aves: I tested all Galleries and still prefer Fossify of all. Features, usability, design
DNSNet: not sure if that is really needed, does it use an external service? NextDNS works without an app
Beautyxt: Material Files has an editor builtin, there is Markor for Markdown and Orgmode
Transcribo: neat, nice UI, but english only! FUTO voice input is better
Easynotes: maany alternatives, seems random too
iVPN: RethinkDNS, WG Tunnel, Mullvad, ...

Most others are either nieche and a bit pointless, or very good apps that I use myself.

missing-root

de0u

Not sure if inclusion in the store would not work on a nonfree operating system. I think the license requirement only counts for things bundled within the OS

Drum1973

de0u Why is GPLv3 issue for GOS?

gta3

Personally didn't like how random and less the app options were in Accrescent

They need to add a lot more apps, even half of fDroid would be good

de0u

missing-root Not sure if inclusion in the store would not work on a nonfree operating system. I think the license requirement only counts for things bundled within the OS

True enough. That was just the first issue that came to mind... I think the developers have expressed quite a few concerns about the F-Droid ecosystem.

Dumdum

Drum1973

GrapheneOS is permissively licensed and is usable for building devices with an immutable root of trust. GPLv3 is deliberately incompatible with these kinds of locked down devices, unlike GPLv2 code such as the Linux kernel. This means GrapheneOS can't include GPLv3 code without forbidding use cases we want to support. GPLv3 is no problem for our own usage, but we don't want to forbid using GrapheneOS as a replacement for the Android Open Source Project in locked down devices.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#bundled-apps

simplenot

I just wish more apps were there because I install only one that I really need from it. Otherwise, I love it and I really wish for the development to pick up and speed up.

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