GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

Byku

Gamers of all people should have a way to show the middle finger to these practices. Get a PC, wait for the crack, and don't let those companies earn a dime until they either understand or go out of business. But no, here we are with invasive DRMs, always online single player, rootkits running on kernel level and now this. And still apologists will defend it. I remember times where you could go to a games store, buy a boxed game with cache and that's it. No one needed to know anything else about you to play a stupid game - as it should be.

kor

Byku when Vanguard is eventually breached (not if, when) then you would hope to see a change in attitude but most normies are too far gone not even that would do it.

kucopile

Byku I remember times where you could go to a games store, buy a boxed game with cache and that's it. No one needed to know anything else about you to play a stupid game - as it should be.

The community is doing steps in that direction - https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/stop-destroying-videogames_en .

ryrona

Byku But no, here we are with invasive DRMs, always online single player, rootkits running on kernel level and now this.

Totally off topic and tl;dr, but you know there are online shops, such as GOG, specifically selling games that are DRM-free and possible to run on computers without internet. Support them, and you are supporting game developers that are friendly! You get an installation exe file that is yours to keep forever.

Many Steam games work fine too after uninstalling Steam and disconnecting internet, but it is a hit and miss. And you can always refund a game if it turns out to not work without Steam installed and internet connected. I mean, unless the shop page says internet is required or the game has DRM, because sometimes they label that so you know what to avoid.

JacksWendel

Byku 100% agree with you. Is there a way to DM someone in this forum?
Thought you might be a cool guy to chat with.

de0u

JacksWendel WHO THINKS ALL THIS IS NORMAL SHOULD BE LOCKED UP IN A MENTAL JAIL AND SEEK APROPRIATE TREATMENT.

I think the GrapheneOS user forum's intended focus is helping people use GrapheneOS, rather than making claims about people needing mental health treatment.

JacksWendel

de0u I wrote this for the other individuals who will certainly also take a note of this thread, let them see it.

JacksWendel

Carrousel7956 It's great that this guy covers these headlines!

JacksWendel

GrapheneOS
May you suggest alternatives to reddit? We all know it is a censorship shithole.

Carrousel7956

JacksWendel I guess it depends on the subreddit, but in my experience most are pretty terrible. For privacy there's discuss.privacyguides.net and ofc this forum. I think you're set for privacy content with those two and then also GOS has other places like the discord which is good.

Hacker News is pretty good and really active it has really good moderation. It's got a lot of programming but privacy topics/freedom come to the frontpage very often. Anything intellectually stimulating can be discussed. It goes by fast so it's not really for long discussions. Make sure to follow the rules it's very strict about not being rude, etc. It's about news as the name implies. You can try this extension orange juice for HN if you want to improve the theme or there's others like modern for HN. In chromewebstore and probably firefox as well.

One thing about HN is there's a great diversity of opinions because you got tech CEOs to artists because there's no silos.
The moderator is really good as I said:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23308098

There's also Monero.forum for Monero talk and I think it's on the up and up. The Monero reddit is pretty terrible.

final

I have removed some posts above because it was just ranting. I understand some of you people feel strongly about the subject but this is not the place for it. Let's be more liberal about people's decisions going forward.

other8026

Recently, there has been a lot of discussion about a member of Yoti's support team reporting a GrapheneOS user to authorities. Today, we received an email from a top member of their organization telling us that they believe the screenshots of the exchange to be fabricated. They assure us that they couldn't find record of the email and "would never report any user to the police or any other third party based on their choice of operating system or device."

They also said they will be speaking to engineers on their end to see if there are any reasons for GrapheneOS users to experience issues with their age verification system. Although we have seen members of the community reporting issues with the app, we hope that these issues can be addressed soon.

dj777

GOS should make app that we can use to make our phones look like apple phone or Samsung. We just turn it on when need it.

Carrousel7956

dj777 That is the thing I've read this week.

GrapheneOS

dj777 There's no feasible way to pretend to have different hardware or a different OS. Hardware attestation exists and prevents that in the general case. Even without hardware attestation, there are an enormous number of ways for an app to identify the OS and device model. They can simply look at their own memory to identify the OS based on the OS libraries loaded in the app among many other ways to do it.

To hide that it's GrapheneOS, privacy and security would need to be greatly reduced by removing any protections beyond what the stock OS provides which are visible to apps. The stock OS builds of libraries and anything else apps can see would need to be used. It would pretty much rule out building an OS from source especially with a lot of changes. If you want the device to appear to be running the stock OS, then you need to be using the stock OS. It's feasible to make a rootkit for the stock OS which hides itself well enough to make some changes while not having apps realize it isn't the stock OS unless they use hardware attestation but even the Play Integrity device integrity level uses hardware attestation and would detect it without tricking it into believing it's another device without hardware attestation. That will get harder and harder to do until they finally drop support for not using hardware attestation. You don't actually want this.

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