Has Google got any Interest in Hurting GOS?

Kamika242

Eirikr70 What is a european solution ?

A solution that works on every device without dependencies to special services like Google Play Services. Made in Europe.

Eirikr70 Anyway, Visa and Mastercard aren't american solutions, since none of them works on american hardware (there is as far as I know no phone "made in the US").

It's not about hardware, it's about software, Android and iOS is american software.

raccoondad

Kamika242 On my computer I use Linux Mint, no Windows or Apple crap.

Once again, implying the fact Android/iOS are the two most maintained smartphone OSes is based on conspiracy is like saying that the fact there are only 3 major OSes for desktop (Windows, MacOS, GNU/Linux) is a conspiracy. When in reality, its the fact no one is going to use Gurd or 9front to daily drive.

You using Mint proves my statement.

Not only do multiple mobile phone operating systems exist not based on Android, Android itself can be distributed and changed.

Devices that support android properly aren't going to run Ubuntu Touch properly because Ubuntu Touch has almost no security features for the boot process while Android does. These are two different systems, they need two different execution environments. Pixels don't support Ubuntu Touch because pixels have actual enforced boot security.

Surely you aren't suggesting every device should have the equivalent environment of the pinephone or else its malice on the manufacturer part.

GrapheneOS has google play services as apart of its core feature list. You are trying to say "its not actually android" when that's not the case at all. Android itself is already an open and distributable system at its core.

Regardless, what exactly is your solution? Both for a company to develop an OS and maintain it and receive support from other vendors. This just doesn't really happen. Its why there's no real 4th option for a proper desktop OS outside of the main 3. Maintaince and 3rd party support is what makes an OS an OS. Its why EVERYTHING is GNU now a days when its not Windows based.

Im sorry, but not everything is a conspiracy

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DirtyDan

The bigger issue is not the business incentive, it's government. Governments across the world may see GrapheneOS as a threat to their Orwellian surveillance states, especially if they can convince the public that only criminals care about privacy. If/when Google intentionally targets GrapheneOS, I'd wager they're doing so because they are being pressured by government.

I think that this same threat applies to Google and Apple—who both make very secure devices. The same governments that would supposedly be pressuring Google to hurt GOS have already tried the direct route on Apple 1 and Google themselves—and largely failed or been publicly resisted.

If government pressure can't get Apple to put a backdoor in iCloud ADP or get Google to weaken the Titan chip, I'm skeptical it's quietly succeeding at getting Google to sabotage a downstream project used by a fraction of a percent of their users. And if a government really did want to use Google to harm GOS, it would be more effective to just pressure Google to weaken the Pixel itself—which would hurt GOS as a side effect and weaken the priv/sec of stock Pixel users, killing two birds with one stone. If I was a criminal and didn't have the option to use GOS, I would use an iPhone followed by a stock Pixel.

1 Remember when the FBI tried to get Apple to unlock that mass shooter's iPhone? https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

Kamika242

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I can remeber a case, when an innocent man in the US was arrested by the police. There was a murder around his location and Google gave the information to the police, that this man crossed the crime scene by bike this day, like he did it everyday on his way to work and back. Google had this information from this mans location history in Google maps.
So you can't generally say that Google and Apple won't give informations to authorities.

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Kamika242 GrapheneOS, ProtonMail, Signal and MullvadVPN would do the exact same thing, if they had that data. What makes these services safe from the authorities is that they don't collect data and therefore can't give it away. You don't want a bulletproof proider that has the data, but won't give it up, like Telegram—they are unreliable, illegal, and often honeypots.

This is the exact reason why Apple built ADP, why WhatsApp implemented E2EE. Google's whole business model is collecting as much data as possible. A byproduct of this is that they must give it away when the government asks.

I don't believe that Google wants the government to have its users data-but it is entrenched in its predatory business model.

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