Gboard Data Collection

Datasapiens

Byku I expect GOS' play services to be more private than regular play services.

Eirikr70

Datasapiens You don't quite understand how it works.
Play services on GrapheneOS is sandboxed, just as any other app. That means that it has access to (those who are more technical than me please correct)

some technical data about the phone,
Play Services own data,
the data that the apps voluntarily send to it through inter-process communication (IPC).

On stock OS, it has access to the whole phone, as a pivileged system app.
IPC doesn't require every app to share all of its data with every app and in this case with Google Play. Each app has a "contract" with every other app so they can trade data. You can imagine that the contract between GBoard and Google Play is quite extensive. Whereas there is probably no contract between Molly-FOSS for instance and Google Play.

NoahRaketic

Datasapiens If I opened Facebook and posted all of my passwords, and the OS can't protect me from that, would it be fair to complain?

It's the same concept.

Play Services have no invasive access. If an app does not voluntarily share data to Play Services, then Play Services won't have access to that data.

If you don't want to be surveilled, don't voluntarily give untrustworthy apps sensitive data. GrapheneOS isn't going to magically make an untrustworthy app trustworthy like you seem to think it should. You have to actually choose services that are trustworthy.

If you're so concerned about a backdoored keyboard, then use the built in AOSP keyboard.

NoahRaketic

Datasapiens You're misunderstanding what a sandbox is. Stop complaining and choose a keyboard you feel you can trust.

NoahRaketic

Datasapiens GrapheneOS has a very private and secure keyboard. It's built in.

NoahRaketic

Datasapiens I'm not sure what the problem is. Gboard is very privacy respecting if you change the privacy settings within the app, and it takes seconds to switch if you feel you can't trust it.

Datasapiens

NoahRaketic problem is not the keyboard, but the apps that have no privacy toggles, like gcam, and gathers data and sends it to google via SANDBOXED play services.

Johnnyloans

Datasapiens

I don't understand your logic. Grapheneos can change the environment but not the app itself.

Bear woth me hear, let's call google a criminal.

The criminal is put into jail. Perfect!
I then give him internet access and then I am surprised they're doing illegal deeds on the internet??

Having your emotions control you is hardly a life strategy. You made choices based on your knowledge. A question concerning the privacy phone you heard of would have solved this:
does this phone stop all telemetry from tech giants I invite on the phone?
Am I anonymous with this phone?

It's frustrating when our plans go awry, but growth only comes from introspection--lest we repeat this turmoil.

Datasapiens

Johnnyloans I don't understand your logic

do not reply, if you don't understand.

Novalissoide

Datasapiens Don't you want to know whether the things you say is intelligible or not?

Datasapiens

Novalissoide i don't understand why you keep replying

Novalissoide

Datasapiens That's mostly why we're here, together we may gain increased knowledge.

Datasapiens

Novalissoide enjoy the deep knowledge from my reply. Use it with responsibility.

Novalissoide

Datasapiens Read up on, e.g. 'Solipsism'.😊

Johnnyloans

Novalissoide Datasapiens

We can agree to:

disagree
have a group hug <3

🤝

Datasapiens

Novalissoide yet not enough? ok, catch another reply. Enjoy.

Novalissoide

Johnnyloans have a group hug <3

Yes. 🫶
Thank you for that.

horde

Datasapiens it is being worked on https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197, this Android thing, and probably not a lot of apps utilize IPC, but probably big corps and other do.

GrapheneOS can't fix all privacy and security issues in one go, this needs time and funding! There are some inconvenient mitigations you can do currently as mentioned in this thread while developers are working on a proper fix. You can always use FOSS apps that you can verify doesn't use IPC.

Datasapiens

horde finally, a normal reply. THANK YOU.
I admire GOS team's talent and really need things like all kinds of gspyware to be removed when it is running within the GOS. I am more than sure sooner or later these talented guys will make it. They can, they are able and talented enough to fight spyware and elevate GrapheneOS to another level 💪

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