Motorola partnership announcement

datsyuk

h34p You don't have to. A second-hand 8a can be bought for 300€.

Wow. I would sell my 9a instantly for 300€. So I have Pixel 9a and I would really like a middle ground phone like the first Signature which is not crappy Tensor or flagship over prized camera and AnTuTu heaven like Signature 27.

I'm sure we are getting cheaper and lighter Motorola in the future. It is just dissappointing that this went south. It is only a matter of time of course but I had really high hopes for S27. About 190g weight and 1000€ would be instant buy. Now it is just another heavy flagship. Hard to believe it would be selling good. You can get Galaxy S26 Ultra with 800-900€ less with a good deal.

So for me, best option is to wait and buy some kind of Signature "Lite" in 2027 or even 2028. It is just awful to patch and install apk's with this slow Tensor chip. Thats why I was really waiting this Signature 27.

longshots

"We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola"...... Posted March 2.
Here we are 8 months later with no real information to add.
Waiting for that to change and see this game of "how long is this piece of string" end.

SplatterGames

[unknown] Perhaps naively, I expect Motorola will sell a lot of Signature 27 devices. They've been selling lots of phones for a while now, so they're pretty good at it.

Yeah, at the 1000€ price point the previous Signature was, maybe. The 1899€ price tag is outrageous. I don't know of any other flagship released this year (or to come soon) that is close to this price point. And we're talking big names here like Apple and Google who operate on insanely high profit margins, despite the current RAM & NAND shortage.

Does Motorola expect to sell any of these phones at all? Is this the new normal? In most markets this phone is like 2 monthly salaries. I really don't understand how they came out at 1899€ for this. It is hugely disappointing because this definitely is not on the same "price as current Pixel devices" trajectory. A comparable Pixel 11 Pro XL is still 370€ cheaper, while already being massively overpriced. A total letdown if you ask me. The wait wasn't worth it.

de0u

SplatterGames A comparable Pixel 11 Pro XL is still 370€ cheaper, while already being massively overpriced. A total letdown if you ask me. The wait wasn't worth it.

Which wait? At this moment GrapheneOS doesn't support either the Motorola Signature 27 or the Google Pixel 11 Pro XL. Has a support date been announced for either?

SplatterGames

de0u I meant the wait and hype for the Signature 27, only to be confronted with this offensive pricing. If you look at currently supported phones namely the 10 series Pixels, the price gap is even bigger. I really want to see this partnership succeed, but I fear Motorola have shot themselves in the foot with this one.
This phone will either get crazy discounts fast or it will flop, of that I'm certain. Flagships are a tough sell already in the 1k price bracket and even harder from a less influential vendor like Motorola at almost double that.

grayway2

The signature 27 looks very promising but what the fuck is wrong with Motorola?

I suggested everyone to buy it and if money is not an issue go ahead but they did a wrong move. Overpriced is a kind word. I'm expecting that the price will go down rapidly around $1000 for the model with 512GB SSD in Lenovo site or elsewhere.

No matter how good is the signature 27, it's a Motorola, not an iPhone, not Xiaomi or Samsung. They can't compete with them, not yet, not with the flagship market.

People know about Motorola's phone but they never heard about the first signature because Motorola is far from being established in the flagship market, it's just too early. You can't do in one year what others did in more than a decade.

I wish the best for the project because it's the best open-source non profit project that exist. Don't be discouraged by the prices, it will go down few weeks later.

de0u

SplatterGames I fear Motorola have shot themselves in the foot with this one. This phone will either get crazy discounts fast or it will flop, of that I'm certain.

grayway2 I'm expecting that the price will go down rapidly around $1000 for the model with 512GB SSD in Lenovo site or elsewhere.

Though others may face more-immediate pressure, personally I am glad that 6a support still has eight months. In the interim, popcorn is cheap.

grayway2

[unknown] They're good in selling low-end and mid-range phones but they are practically unknown in the flagship market. They want too much and too fast. They had no flagship 2 years ago. They screwed the october software update on the first signature.

h34p

SplatterGames Prices mentioned on HN:

The

Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra 512GB MSRP $1600 (and this was before a lot of hardware price increases, I imagine the Galaxy S27 will be more expensive)
iPhone 18 Pro Max 512GB $1500 on Apple Store

phones are in the same class. Why call the Signature 27 "offensive pricing"? If you are not willing or able to spend the money then just skip it. There will certainly be people who value quality, uniqueness and are ready to pay for it (must wait for the reviews to know for sure, but this Motorola phone doesn't look to be uncompetitive). It would suprise me, if this is a flop.

r134a

SplatterGames This phone will either get crazy discounts fast

My guess is this will probably the case. The €1899 will probably be the reference price but with non stop "discounts" a short while after launch, at least i hope so.

Also i didn't specifically check if this is true with their current signature, but i suspect motorola phones will not hold their value as well as say an iphone or even a pixel on the used market, especially if the above is true. So if waiting is an option, after some time this could be quite an interesting phone. Buying at the right time (either heavily discounted new or used market after a while) is my plan.

dhhdjbd

YOU not wanting to spend so much on a phone does not mean noone will.

I doubt Motorola and Lenovo did not do any market research before this.
And it is not news that this is a premium device.

other cheaper device with GrapheneOs support will be released, just be patient.

In the mean time you can donate, that helps the project more anyway then buying a non pixel device.

DandelionDuster

longshots Here we are 8 months later with no real information to add.

What do you mean, exactly?

primipare there's no point in that partnership.

This partnership is increasing the amount of supported devices.
By now it's only one more, I agree, but it will be the first of many :)

Be patient, if you can't afford the Signature 27, the market has a lot of used market to leverage to wait for new developments.

Hopefully this move will push also other brands into the security/privacy bandwagon and even more options could be available.

Johnnyloans

r134a €1899

Johnnyloans It's also listed as $1,599 USD
Or

1.399 euro

in some countries

primipare

[unknown] i don't think so. you take one big bank after the other. once you have 1, maybe 2, much easier to get the next. hard, time consuming, sure. but ultimately much more impact, me thinks.

primipare

DandelionDuster i understand but it is a very indirect approach. the ONE critical point is the bank app, it seems. maybe some other app, but bank app seems to be the critical one. i argue to aim at solving that, not by getting on more phones but by partnering with banks. as gos users, do we care about the phone that much beyond price? i care more about being able to have my apps functioning.

so to me, it would be better to look to partner with banks, major banks in main countries. then the other would follow.

r134a

Johnnyloans That's

GREAT

and somewhat supports my theory that the €1899 mainly will be the "reference price" and that "high" discounts (relative to reference price) are quite plausible.

SplatterGames

h34p Why call the Signature 27 "offensive pricing"?

S26 Ultra MSRP was $1499 for the 512GB model. And you got $150 of credit back for their store if you didn't trade in, while also having incredible trade-in deals. The 18 Pro Max is also $1499 now for the 512GB model, which puts it still $100 below the Motorola. And that's for the best in class phones of their respective categories, in both Android and iOS. What you pay these high prices for, is predictability. You know exactly what you are getting when you spend that amount of money on a phone from Samsung or Apple.

What do you get with Motorola? You need blind trust that their phones will deliver as promised AND you are paying $100 more for them than the well established competition.
And that is just the very competitive US pricing. As you can see, other countries - mainly in the EU - are worse off by a lot. Check the pricing in Poland, it's absolutely insane.

mmmm

primipare,

primipare

There are a lot of banks in the world. And what is a 'main' country?

I understand you're annoyed about your banking app not working or whatever - I agree. But some kind of deal with individual banks isn't the way to solve it.

The problem is Google and the stranglehold Google has on android, and the way it's making play protect seem like the 'official' and therefore best and only option to secure ones app. Its a lock-in technique that needs government regulation.

A way to help solve it is to become a more viable OS rather than the perceived 'rom' for crims or modders or geeks bucket that non mainstream android forks tend to fall into.

Getting one of the big established handset manufacturers actually announcing compatibility and "we're working together" is a far, far, far bigger boon.

blusterpilgrim

The pricing doesn't really bother me - I'm more interested in how many years of support it will offer. Anything around 10 years would make it worthwhile. Many of us probably don't constantly switch phones every year or so, and try to ride out the entire lifetime of support from GrapheneOS.

wizoatk

blusterpilgrim I'm more interested in how many years of support it will offer.

I don't see specifications on the US site yet but the UK site indicates 7 years.

OS Upgrade Commit
Up to 7 Years²⁰
[...]
Security Upgrade Commit
Up to 7 Years²⁰

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