Does GrapheneOS plan to comply with OS level age verification laws?

WolfhartDSA

One of the devs (who is now in American jail) lived in Portugal iirc.

Thats clear to me, because he's an American citizen. In this case he was extradited by Portuguese authorities.
If he were a Portuguese citizen, Portuguese authorities wouldn't have extradited their own citizen to America.
And if he would have violated Portuguese law, the process against their own citizen would be held in Portugal.

WolfhartDSA

avaluedcustomer

Yeah, that can be written in the bill.

But for Linux you can read there:

"This is basically impossible for California to enforce" says CatoDomine on the Linuxmint subreddit. "Even if Linux Mint decides to add some kind of age verification, to comply with CA law, there's no reason anyone would choose that version."

And if so, who will hinder somebody in California to install Linux without any installer via terminal?
https://linuxvox.com/blog/install-ubuntu-from-terminal/

And also download a non Californian distribution?

Or recode the installer source code to get rid of a age verification and build it again and install then the distribution?

Not possible to realize for an Open Source operating system. Then they have to forbid these OS. And forbid also VPN.
Welcome to autocracy.

Probably9857

As written, the bill appears to only require the OS to ask you your age. I see no requirements to prove it in any particular way. (I'm sure that will come later though.)

IMO, the most Orwellian part is what it appears to require of apps and services: if an app developer has "clear and convincing" data suggesting that a user is of a different age, they are to use that information instead.

Sounds like they expect every app and service to constantly monitor for behavior inconsistent with a user's declared age.

However, I am not a lawyer.

DeletedUser728

Probably9857 Orwellian

What's Orwellian in the pornhub banning someone as their behavior resembles an underage?

Probably9857

DeletedUser728

The legal requirement to spy on your users.

DeletedUser728

Probably9857 so when a cashier asks a kid for an ID to sell alcohol, It's called spying?

Probably9857

DeletedUser728

Yeah, anything is fine if can be said to be for the kids.

Let's just agree to disagree. This isn't going to go anywhere useful.

DeletedUser713

DeletedUser728 does the cashier create a permanent record of your full name, address, date of birth, religion, height and of every bottle of beer you bought, when you bought it, how you paid, how long you looked at the bottle, which other brands you looked at and for how long, create a psychological profile based on your behavior and then send this information over to the government? No? Oh.

DeletedUser728

DeletedUser713 does the cashier create a permanent record

The store - of course. Software, cameras, etc. Why would people recommend to wear a hat etc while buying giftcards at fuel stations?

DeletedUser728

DeletedUser713 so, is asking a kid for ID in such circumstances is an act of spying? Furthermore it's worth verifying details if the law, as it would be good to apply the same principles you've applied here to non-it stuff https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/32474-how-will-grapheneos-handle-the-threat-from-the-new-airsnitch-wifi-attack/5
Being ignorant for non-it topics while being reasonable with it-related topics should in general lead to questions

DeletedUser713

DeletedUser728 they don't do it automatically. You would have to manually aggregate that data after the fact in a single system. That aggregation happens automatically in online ID verification. That's the big and problematic difference. Automation is where the problems start kicking in, like with Palantir or China's Skynet.
Try building a centralized database of alcoholics buying Bud light, where you have to cooperate with a potential of hundreds of thousands of stores and gas stations to hand over their surveillance camera footage and payment providers or banks, compared to an already existing database of a single (or few dozen) companies that perform online ID verification. You could do that in a matter of days, compared to months, in the former example.

DeletedUser728

DeletedUser713 You would have to manually aggregate that data after the fact in a single system.

If that's your grandma store - yes

DeletedUser728

None has implemented it yet, right, as of local systems. again like It's stateless in the store, it could be stateless on your pc, but none of normies would accept it, thus - persistance. Regular tradeoff. Furthermore, there are smarter people out there, so they may figure out some flows that will not bother corps with excessive handling of PII (corps hate it)

DeletedUser713

DeletedUser728 Being ignorant

I don't know why you would respond with insults, when I just presented an objective argument. Maybe we can also agree to disagree and end our interaction here.

DeletedUser728

DeletedUser713 No, it's just a question of consistency. Those are polar approaches to somewhat similar topic (the difference is just in proficiency in each areas). But it's your choice to ignore it)

userofgos

niko-goso Braxx is also informative.

He's a serial scammer and spreads copious amounts of misinformation about privacy and security. He should not be seen as an authoritative source nor a legitimate source of accurate information regarding privsec.

@MetropleX @other8026

SolarisZen

DeletedUser728 Does the cashier keep the ID? No!

SolarisZen

DeletedUser728 Yes when the keep the ID

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I had to remove a ton of posts that drifted into politics, conspiracies and generally off-topic and unrelated discussions. I will have to lock the thread for good if you can't keep that out of here.

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