best AI apps

ninjanoir789

Hi,

I wondered if there is a better AI app to add in my graphene OS, I mean, about privacy and security, I guess deepseek would be the last one maybe,.cause it is from CHINA?

Thanks.

Ziya

ninjanoir789
I use tinfoil chat

Byku

Local or cloud-based? For local Google Edge Gallery unironically.

For cloud there is no way to use it privately atm. You have to rely on 'trust me bro' encryption.

Graphene1

Maple AI, Lumo, Duck.ai

DeletedUser628

Graphene1 Lumo is the one I was going to recommend. Duck.ai is fine, too, with its anonymizing and lack of storing chat data, but there are other issues with the models it draws upon.

spl4tt

I use the venice.ai for private AI mostly (currently using GLM 4.7 and qwen3 next). They even got anonymized claude, GPT and others if you really want that.
I got some of their crypto to get free API credits each day, so I'm running it essentially "free" because I can get that money back if I want.

I chat with the AI via my selfhosted open-webui instance, installed as PWA on my phone.

If you don't want to invest in that ecosystem, you can also just use the free or pro version normal app or PWA. But not so much subscription based version of their API.

Oh and btw, you can privately use deepseek v3.2 there if that's something you care. You meantioned it in your question so

Franco

Locally -> Google Edge AI Gallery with Gemma-3n works surprisingly well for a such small model, I use the 4b.
(But at this moment the latest version Google Edge AI Gallery is broken on my Pixel 9. The bug has been reported by someone else on their Github).
The models run locally, but Google Edge AI Gallery still includes some active trackers (detected with TrackerControl -> Google Analytics and Google Firebase Analytics if I recall well).

Cloud -> I use Proton Lumo because it runs its models on its own servers; it isn’t just anonymized like Duck.ai.
Indeed it is encrypted E2E and a bit 'trust me bro'. Their open‑source / open‑weight models also lag behind ChatGPT, Gemini, and other Grok in terms of performance, but their are already good enough for many tasks.

Franco

Cloud-based, there is also https://confer.to/ from the creator of Signal messenger. His new AI‑chat service aims to give the same privacy guarantees that Signal brought to messaging. It is E2E encrypted and running on a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) on the server side, the model runs inside a secure enclave. I will give it a try.

spl4tt

Franco Before I login, can you pick models there? What do they offer?

Franco

spl4tt I am not sure yet, still unable to login (FIDO key)

marq2

cake.nano-gpt.com

in tor browser, paid with monero. working great

Franco

marq2 cake.nano-gpt.com

I understand that they send the requests to third parties, right?
We strictly inform providers not to train models on your data. Use us, and make sure your data stays private
But for sure it is more powerful than Lumo or local AI.

twitheatrophonic

Hugging chat? How is it?