Mullvad should be viewed with skepticism

EnragedBoot

I think it's important to keep in mind that like most things, trust is a spectrum, not black and white. Just because I trust one person less than another, doesn't mean I outright distrust them, just that they haven't earned that higher level of trust the other person has.

It is bad to either outright trust or distrust anyone or anything. Skepticism is healthy, paranoia is not.

DeletedUser270

Asonderu You are correct, Basicly, trust but verifies. The problem, we can not prove any VPN operator doesn't log or do anything, except we accept they promise or it can be other third party will record our log activity.

What we can do is dual control, segregation of duties. Using 2 hop vpn operator.

VPN 1, they only know your source IP
VPN 2, they only know your destination IP

DeletedUser270

DeletedUser270 or if you still don't trust centralize network, you can add TOR network as a decentralize network

Setup connection as below :

TOR over VPN1 over VPN2
TOR over VPN over TOR (slowest connection)

DeletedUser270

DeletedUser270 and please don't get me wrong, you should not use this setup every day.

My point is centralization network is a key of surveillance capitalism. So if you want to defeat them, yo should do digital compartmentalization on your GOS with using user profile feature:

For Public user profile is for real identity for banking, shopping, etc (no need to use VPN)
For Private user profile is for daily browsing, private comm, etc (use dual hop VPN1 over VPN2)
For Anonymity user profile (use TOR over VPN1 over VPN2)
For Sensitive user profile (user TOR over VPN over TOR)

dhhdjbd

@JPN_Tales

I've been using Mullvad and IVPN for a long time, but their use of many very dangerous M247 and Datapacket servers is a major concern from a privacy perspective, and I couldn't help but be skeptical of the company's attitude.

Can someone explain this please?

DeletedUser270

dhhdjbd Actually, many VPN provider not only Mullvad, iVPN but also Proton and other also using M247 and DataPacket service. It mean they are become Global Player (Global ISP) that control VPN internet traffic all around the world and He may be assume that M247 and DataPacket could do fingerprinting all VPN user all around the world just like our local ISP or Cloudflare that has global internet infrastructure. it is call centralize network, please cmiiw

fph

matchboxbananasynergy Do you trust your ISP more than your VPN provider? If the answer is yes, the using a VPN makes sense.

Is this sentence missing a "not"?

matchboxbananasynergy

fph Fixed it, meant to say "if the answer is no".

redfoxjumper

I'd trust mullvad over any other provider, especially protonvpn. I tried to sign up for protonvpn and they banned my account before I could finishing filling out the billing page because I used a VPN... With mullvad you can pay anonymously and they won't ban you or try to collect unnecessary personal or identifying information unlike every other VPN service.

That being said, you'll ultimately connecting from your home internet (presumably) so nothing is foolproof if a provider is compromised.

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