Request : a new interview with the Hated One

grayway2

A long time ago, one of the GrapheneOS dev made an interview with the Youtuber the hated one. Can you please make a new video ? It was very interesting to listen and personally I think a new one could be worth it as a lot of more aspects around and about GrapheneOS could be discussed

horde

I also suggest diversifying to other content creators, pretty sure GrapheneOS gets a decent share on Hated One. So, looking into spreading the word about GOS to wider audience seems to be a great idea.

AlanZ

Not that guy again, please! Aren’t you tired of sensationalist, manipulative crap like that?

trashaccount

AlanZ What the fck are you even talking about?

grayway2

AlanZ I'm still waiting for the GrapheneOS car :)

Xtreix

AlanZ Although some of what he says can be pretty extreme and not really suitable for the average user, he actually makes good content with a lot of documented research, he's passionate about privacy so the subject is very close to his heart and he can sometimes take high threat patterns as a generality, but you don't have to agree entirely with what he says, there are a lot of Youtubers who really do sensationalize and manipulate and The Hated One stands up to them, I won't name names.

gk7ncklxlts99w1

I loved that video as well. It gave me more insight into how GrapheneOS and mobile security works generally. It was a while ago since I saw it but I seem to remember the dev being decent at communicating.

Don't limit yourself to THO either. While some bridges are burned, I'd like to see interviews with others, such as Naomi Brockwell, Simon Walsh of Closed Network Privacy (he has interviewed THO several times, they have good chemistry), Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons, Side of Burritos, or even David Bombal. The dev team at GOS seem to be very hesitant to speak to other content creators. Maybe there's a reason. But in any case, I think it would seriously help GOS if they went outside their shell more, so to speak. There's an opportunity to bring GOS to a wider audience.

grayway2

gk7ncklxlts99w1 the dev of GrapheneOS are hesitant to speak to other content creator because a lot of that youtubers are charlatans, spreading false claiming about security and privacy. They don't want to be associated with that. Also there is a risk that their interview will be deformed and what they say turn against them to make them look evil or what they are not.

However, if we could have another guest, I would choose Side of burritos because I like this guy as a human.

Xtreix

grayway2 However, if we could have another guest, I would choose Side of burritos because I like this guy as a human.

Me too, I could see an interview with Josh, why not also a podcast on his Yellowball website, he's a sysadmin and is probably the most neutral and concise security and privacy oriented Youtuber I know, he never talks politics and idiology, he just shares his knowledge, he's probably my favorite with maybe Sun Knudsen in second place.

gk7ncklxlts99w1

grayway2 You take the risk that people will misinterpret (intentionally or not) any time you speak to someone.

Arguing you shouldn't communicate with your audience because they might think negatively of you is foolish. And if they think negatively of you, maybe they're right?

Discussion facilitates the development of new ideas and the destruction of bad ones. Communication is a good thing. GrapheneOS in particular needs more of it, not less. There are "charlatans" in every community.

@Xtreix I used to like Sun Knudsen, but he created a simple QR backup tool and charged an absurd price for it. Someone made a free version of it. I get vibes like "Sandwich Artist" from him when he says he's a privacy and security researcher.

Xtreix

gk7ncklxlts99w1 but he created a simple QR backup tool and charged an absurd price for it. Someone made a free version of it.

Superbacked became free and open-source, he didn't like the situation the project was in at the start, but this can be effective for experimenting with the terrain, for example, to see if it's viable, it's not uncommon for new projects to be closed-source and then become open-source.

Josh from Side of Burritos is currently adopting this type of approach.

https://picsur.org/i/f642bc14-8c33-4fce-988e-a7a1cbe4247b.jpg

Hyperbacked is a fork written in Rust, but it has only 2 contributors and seems to have been abandoned.

I'm not going to try Superbacked, my desktop hardware doesn't meet the prerequisite, as I wrote above, you don't have to agree with everything, but like Josh, Naomi and TheHatedOne, he's not manipulative and he's currently giving good vibes, so I'm quoting him.

DeletedUser202

Xtreix The link is borked.

gk7ncklxlts99w1

Xtreix I don't know of any manipulative content creators in the privacy/security space. I know of some that accuse others of spreading FUD but its normally those that accuse others that are most guilty of it themselves. They don't get much attention anyway. Some people have different communication styles. I know of a few network/security related channels that shill for companies where it seems the entire video feels like an ad. But like Sun, I think they're well intentioned, but simply out of touch.

Whenever you intend to communicate with your audience you must account for differing opinions about your product or service. People may have things to say, positive or negative. In an ideal situation, the values of both the interviewer and interviewee are aligned in that they both want the same thing; to spread information about the thing they're discussing, and they believe the thing they're discussing is good for people.

Xtreix

DeletedUser202 Weird, the link work for me, I guess there's some issues with picsur.org because this is the second time I've been told that a link to picsur doesn't work.

Here the new link : https://postimg.cc/5HmxTmNW

angela

I would also like this. I like him. Interviews with others would alao be great. I'd like to hear interviews with multiple developers including even showing how fast a GOS install is. People really probably don't believe how easy the install goes. An interview should also address play integrity API so viewers know current issues and aren't surprised.

Dumdum

gk7ncklxlts99w1 I don't know of any manipulative content creators in the privacy/security space.

Does this not count?
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113886303367515340

kebab_definite

Yeah, have gos devs a talk with creators like tho, nbtv, side of burritos, would be great.

gk7ncklxlts99w1

Dumdum

Yes, but not what you think.

oci3o

I think an updated interview like THO did, Esper also did an interview with one of the devs (very similar to THO, just not focused on privacy).
I did enjoy THO full interview, not the shortened version, it also helps less technical people understand how GOS can help even the average user.
I feel Side of burritos, Naomi Brockwell and THO all give GOS good visibility and all lend their own flavour to the discussion, Naomi for example is very good at explaining the basics for new users, THO is good at the extreme side of it and Side of burritos is a happy medium I find.